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and the doma case is even weirder. these are people who were married in their states. >> the state of new york would have recognized the marriage. >> there are people who dispute it. but now the governor of the state of new york. >> it was not settled in 2009 when the woman died. many any rate, there were people married under their state. >> why should those people have to come to congress in order to be treated with minimal debates ebright their own government when their state have married them? >> i think that brings the question of of minimal dignity. this gets to the whole question of exactly what doma does, which perhaps we can turn to. >> i want to do two things first. but first i want to ask paul, if the plaintiffs in doma are asking for some kind of rational basis or some kind of higher review, is there any basis for doing it if your state is medium rare or medium? >> i remember talking about the debora levels of scrutiny and it suggested that there was this -- for its intermediate scrutiny for gender. >> if yo
and the doma case is even weirder. these are people who were married in their states. >> the state of new york would have recognized the marriage. >> there are people who dispute it. but now the governor of the state of new york. >> it was not settled in 2009 when the woman died. many any rate, there were people married under their state. >> why should those people have to come to congress in order to be treated with minimal debates ebright their own government when...
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and not allow anybody to get married. >> if they strike doma down on certain grounds, doma violates basic rights of equality, that leaves a lot that ban same-sex marriage dangling. >> scott: there is a question of standing and both cases asked both sides to argue why they have the right to be there. how big a deal is that? is that a sleeper issue? >> it is a big issue. one of the cues we have of that is the supreme court asked for briefing on that question and is allowing time for separate oral argument on that question in both cases. i think the issue of standing in relation to prop 8 is an interesting one. as vik said, the attorney general and governor from the get-go have not defended prop 8. the question is whether these proponents of prop 8 represented by mr. pugno we heard earlier have the right to do that. essentially, the ballots are private citizens. they are not people elected to make litigation decisions. you have a situation where you have private parties who might be able to make litigation decisions and have no accountability for that. nor any delegation of authority t
and not allow anybody to get married. >> if they strike doma down on certain grounds, doma violates basic rights of equality, that leaves a lot that ban same-sex marriage dangling. >> scott: there is a question of standing and both cases asked both sides to argue why they have the right to be there. how big a deal is that? is that a sleeper issue? >> it is a big issue. one of the cues we have of that is the supreme court asked for briefing on that question and is allowing time...
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tax return, and they can't get social security survivor's benefits and if the court upholds doe m s doma all is overturn and if it is overturned then the federal government will have to treat married people like married people. >> does it line up in the court that way as well? >> well, this is always a difficult question is what effect does public opinion have on the justices. the official answer is none. they apply the constitution, and the real world answer is plenty. there are five republicans and four democrats on the supreme court, and that is pretty much all you need to know, and however, one of the republicans is anthony kennedy who has been generally very supportive of gay rights and so many people think that he is going to join the democrats in vetting to overturn doma. >> and neither of us is old enough, but when we are are talking about interracial marriage i would imagine it is similar situation at that time. >> well, you know, the parallels to the case that you are referring to, "loving versus virginia" 1967, and the case that said states can no longer ban interracial marria
tax return, and they can't get social security survivor's benefits and if the court upholds doe m s doma all is overturn and if it is overturned then the federal government will have to treat married people like married people. >> does it line up in the court that way as well? >> well, this is always a difficult question is what effect does public opinion have on the justices. the official answer is none. they apply the constitution, and the real world answer is plenty. there are...
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if the supreme court upholds doma, all of that remains the same. if they overturn it, the federal government will have to treat married people as married people. >> more than half of the country now in support of same-sex marriage. is it that way? does the court line up that way as well? >> this is always a very difficult question. what effect does public opinion have on the justices? the official answer is none. they just apply the constitution. the real-world answer is, plenty. there are five republicans and four democrats on the supreme court. that's pretty much all you need to know. however, one of the republicans is anthony kennedy who has been generally very supportive of gay rights. so many people think he will join the democrats in voting to overturn doma. >> when talking about interracial marriage, i would imagine it was a very similar situation at that time. >> the parallels to the case you're referring to, loving versus virginia, 1967, the case that said states could no longer ban racial intermarriage, that was a big deal at the time. an
if the supreme court upholds doma, all of that remains the same. if they overturn it, the federal government will have to treat married people as married people. >> more than half of the country now in support of same-sex marriage. is it that way? does the court line up that way as well? >> this is always a very difficult question. what effect does public opinion have on the justices? the official answer is none. they just apply the constitution. the real-world answer is, plenty....
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but doma says same-sex marriage is not recognize at the federal law. she didn't get that federal tax break. that's what doma is all about, as i read what senator paul is saying, he says he would agree with the plaintiff in this case that the federal government should grant her the rights that she has under the state in which she was married. >> interesting. i am aware that in new york today there's going to be a march over doma. there are a lot of strong opinions on either side. what's the next step other than the courts? >> well, it is the courts. this is going to come up before the court this week, monday, tuesday and wednesday they're going to hear proposition 8, the whole question of whether or not same-sex marriage can be banned as it was in california, then this issue of what the federal role should be. this is tough role for conservatives because they've held db the federal doma law signed by president bill clinton, puts the government right if the middle of same-sex marriage saying it will not recognize it even if states say they do and would n
but doma says same-sex marriage is not recognize at the federal law. she didn't get that federal tax break. that's what doma is all about, as i read what senator paul is saying, he says he would agree with the plaintiff in this case that the federal government should grant her the rights that she has under the state in which she was married. >> interesting. i am aware that in new york today there's going to be a march over doma. there are a lot of strong opinions on either side. what's...
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i think the same on doma. we may even do better on doma. >> cenk: man, you are full of boldness today. but you mentioned earlier it could be a narrow ruling. what would that mean and what would be the effect of that? >> in both cases they could decide not to decide. they could say we don't think that the people who are appealing this in other words the proponents of prop 8, we don't think they have the standing or legitimacy to be before us today, and we're just going to let the previous court ruling stand. that could happen. >> cenk: in which case prop 8 would loose. >> exactly. >> cenk: but that would not apply to the rest of the state. so it is kind of like punting. >> it is kind of like punting, but i would be surprised if they issue a brood ruling saying that all 50 states have to accept voted that way, would they be an american hero? >> they i would be. look what roberts did on, quote unquote, obamacare. one reason he did it for sure is because chief justice roberts doesn't want his institution, the supr
i think the same on doma. we may even do better on doma. >> cenk: man, you are full of boldness today. but you mentioned earlier it could be a narrow ruling. what would that mean and what would be the effect of that? >> in both cases they could decide not to decide. they could say we don't think that the people who are appealing this in other words the proponents of prop 8, we don't think they have the standing or legitimacy to be before us today, and we're just going to let the...
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in fact, bill clinton who signed doma into law when he was president, is now asking the u.s. supreme court to overturn it. let's bring in cnn legal contributor powell cowen. how much will the reversal potentially make? >> supreme court justices would tell you they're immune from politicians lobbying them. they're appointed for life by the president, and the founding fathers frankly set up the system so you would have sort of an independent judiciary. i don't think bill clinton's position will have a major impact on the court. >> so what the constitutional argument that will be made to keep doma in place? >> well, there are two cases before the court this week. one on tuesday and one on wednesday. the first on tuesday is called the prop 8 case. california case, and it's very interesting because the california supreme court said gay marriage is legal. they said it's against the california constitution to ban it. and then lawyers came in and voters went out and they adopted prop 8, which amended the california constitution to make it illegal. so they stuck it to the judges and s
in fact, bill clinton who signed doma into law when he was president, is now asking the u.s. supreme court to overturn it. let's bring in cnn legal contributor powell cowen. how much will the reversal potentially make? >> supreme court justices would tell you they're immune from politicians lobbying them. they're appointed for life by the president, and the founding fathers frankly set up the system so you would have sort of an independent judiciary. i don't think bill clinton's position...
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no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it either by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when? >> now. >> reporter: and public opinion polls show that more than half of americans now say they support it. that's why supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme court disagrees with these claims, history will not look fondly on it. but the court almost prides itself on moving very slowly, not being out in front of the culture, lagging behind some, and that's probably the dilemma for the justices. >> of course, we'll be watching that right here on nbc. that was nbc's pete williams reporting for us. >>> white house officials now say the united states is training syrian secular sources in neighboring jordan and has been for months. it's seen as a nonlethal way to forces battling the regime of al assad. the trainees are reportedly not being provided with w
no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it either by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when? >> now. >> reporter: and public opinion polls show that more than half of americans now say they support it. that's why supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme...
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good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think the important thing now as he said in his opinion piece in the "washington post" two weeks ago, and as he has been saying since 2009, he's now a supporter of same-sex marriage. he's had the same kind of evolution that many americans have had and he believes the bill is now unconstitutional. >> a former president clinton not the only one. same-sex marriage has gained support from others. in the past few weeks from senator portman, the american academy of pediatrics and former secretary of state hillary clinton. this is what hillary clinton said most recently. >> lgbt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our
good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think...
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conservative leader rand paul says he believes in traditional marriage, but not doma. >> "i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in, but i also don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue." >> reporter: although recent polls show a majority of americans support of same sex marriage, california's attorney general says it's more important to read the constitution. >> "i am absolutely against a ban on same-sex marriages because because they are simply unconstitutional." >> reporter: i'm cristina mutchler reporting for kron 4 news. >> a view from the golden gate. with rainfall, coming up. . [ female announcer ] safeway presents real big deals of the week. or how to get great prices on things you need for easter. we know you look around for the best deals, that's why we give you real big club card deals each week. right now a juicy smoked shank half ham is just 99 cents a pound. let's bake. safeway sugar is $1.97 for four pounds. and chobani greek yogurt is just a buck. real big deals this week and every week. only at safeway. ingredients for life.
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regardless of sexual orientation. >> reporter: house republicans are now defending doma in court. >> the administration doesn't get to decide what's constitutional. the supreme court does. and our financing a lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure we know what's constitutional and what isn't. >> reporter: the court hears the doma case on wednesday. the prop 8 case on tuesday. and both of them come here as public support for same-sex marriage is growing. different political climate than just four years ago when prop 8 became law. lester? >> pete, thanks. >>> at the vatican today, pope francis celebrated palm sunday mass before a crowd estimated at 250,000. he marked the start of holy week by encouraging people to be um balance and joyful and to lead simple lives. the pope from argentina announced he'll travel to neighboring brazil in july after the mass he climbed into a pope mobile to move among the crowd showing once again he enjoys connecting with the faithful. >>> when "nbc nightly news" continues on this sunday -- making and watching tv in a whole ne
regardless of sexual orientation. >> reporter: house republicans are now defending doma in court. >> the administration doesn't get to decide what's constitutional. the supreme court does. and our financing a lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure we know what's constitutional and what isn't. >> reporter: the court hears the doma case on wednesday. the prop 8 case on tuesday. and both of them come here as public support for same-sex marriage is...
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next on the docket the constitutionality of doma. give us a quick preview of that case. >> this is about whether the federal government can define marriage between a man and a women, therefore depriving anyone legally married state taxes, or military benefits et cetera. there are over a thousand federal laws currently keeping same-sex couples in new york for instance, from getting -- from getting recognition from the federal government. so the supreme court, i'm guessing by probably 6-3 vote with chief justice roberts and justice kennedy with the liberals will say that doma is patently unconstitutional, and that will allow the people in the states and the district of clum bee -- they will get to receive their benefits. >> michael: all right. tell me that you don't know more now that mike sacks has stopped by "the war room." coming up on "the war room," the politics of gay marriage can be complex and tangled as its legalities. karl frisch will tell us how both parties are trying to get in front of an issue moving faster than they are.
next on the docket the constitutionality of doma. give us a quick preview of that case. >> this is about whether the federal government can define marriage between a man and a women, therefore depriving anyone legally married state taxes, or military benefits et cetera. there are over a thousand federal laws currently keeping same-sex couples in new york for instance, from getting -- from getting recognition from the federal government. so the supreme court, i'm guessing by probably 6-3...
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let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think this is one of the great cases that the the supreme court will hear this term. that and prop eight. but doma which was compromised legislation and signed by bill clinton back in 1996 has always been questionable in terms of constitutionality. and two federal appeals courts have held that that law that restricts personnel rights that is by the federal government violates the constitution. it violates the equal protection law. in terms of the significance of it, it's really march madness. this is so important and so exciting because you hav
let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think...
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. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether as to whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make its own definition of marriage. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean, we sent our elected representatives to washington, d.c., and they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it's clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefit and the issue with doma really gets complicate federal they have children who are also
. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether as to whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the...
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doma, the defense of marriage act. it blocks federal recognition of same sex couples in states where they are allowed to marry, denying them about 1,000 federal benefits the other married couples get. when her spouse died and left her the estate, she got a bill from the irs for $363,000. >> i was heart sick. i lost the love of my life and i was heart sick. with this incredible expense. >> reporter: after president obama concluded the law is unconstitutional, house republicans entered the case to defend doma. >> thanks to pete williams who will join our coverage tomorrow and wednesday, if the high court strikes down doma, that would not automatically require states to permit same-sex marriage but the ruling could be a game changer for what all states are allowed to do. let's spin. jonathan capehart, friend of the show hark as piece out in the "washington post" today where he says, i don't think lgbt american fully appreciate how ten with us thing are on the court right now. he is very cautious. in factoring argues that
doma, the defense of marriage act. it blocks federal recognition of same sex couples in states where they are allowed to marry, denying them about 1,000 federal benefits the other married couples get. when her spouse died and left her the estate, she got a bill from the irs for $363,000. >> i was heart sick. i lost the love of my life and i was heart sick. with this incredible expense. >> reporter: after president obama concluded the law is unconstitutional, house republicans...
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doma denies federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married in their own state. and then friday, all right, car enthusiasts get to new york. the new york auto show kicks off. the nine-day event features about 1,000 vehicles and will, of course, show off hot new cars and trucks from around the world and all the technology that goes in them. >>> we told you about the defensive marriage act up for debate on wednesday. thousands of couples across the country affected by the supreme court decision and cnn joe johns spoke to one of those couples. joe? >> christi, the defensive marriage act has been the law of the land since 1996. though its title may sound harmless enough, gay and lesbian americans all over the country claim the law has caused enormous damage, claiming that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. jamel thomas and corinne williams were together four years before they got married last october. don't let the wedding dresses fool you. their lives are not all saturn and pearls. >> i am a police officer here in d.c. >> which makes this couple a
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i think doma is doomed. i think the only reason is just pure animus, dislike of gay people and i don't think anthony kennedy will sit still for that and i think there are five votes -- forget the whole federalism issue, it's a straight up equal protection argument that you can't discriminate against people like that. >> but if it is, why can the state do that by not recognizing the marriage in the first place? i'm for that but if you take seriously that equality argument jeff, that if she were married to a man she'd get the benefits but not if she was married to a woman, the deep logic argument is same-sex marriage everywhere, i'm for that. but i don't know if justice kennedy is yet. >> but you could write that opinion to limit it just to doma. you're a law professor, you can do a slippery slope in your sleep. (laughter) i'm talking about one case at a time here. >> i think at some level jeffrey is right, this is about core equality, core citizenship. the freedom to mar marry is based in the declaration of i
i think doma is doomed. i think the only reason is just pure animus, dislike of gay people and i don't think anthony kennedy will sit still for that and i think there are five votes -- forget the whole federalism issue, it's a straight up equal protection argument that you can't discriminate against people like that. >> but if it is, why can the state do that by not recognizing the marriage in the first place? i'm for that but if you take seriously that equality argument jeff, that if she...
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just hundreds of feet from where the court's nine justices are considering the fate of prop eight and doma recordings and transcripts from today's hearings suggest that the debate is as contentious as ever justice antonin scalia the most conservative justice pressed opponents of prop eight to pinpoint exactly when discrimination against gay couples became unconstitutional. we did it constitutional. to exclude homosexuals couples from marriage seventeen of the one. eight hundred sixty eight when the fourteenth amendment was adopted sometimes sometime after baker where we sit it didn't even resist substantial food group question when we when and when did the law become this. justice anthony kennedy the court swing vote at one point suggested gay marriage might be too new of an institution for the court to judge fairly at the same time he expressed concern for the children of same sex couples affected by prop eight liberal justices alina kagan and sonia sotomayor challenge the measure supporters to defend their position rationally so what happened over the supreme court this morning the justi
just hundreds of feet from where the court's nine justices are considering the fate of prop eight and doma recordings and transcripts from today's hearings suggest that the debate is as contentious as ever justice antonin scalia the most conservative justice pressed opponents of prop eight to pinpoint exactly when discrimination against gay couples became unconstitutional. we did it constitutional. to exclude homosexuals couples from marriage seventeen of the one. eight hundred sixty eight when...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting tacky little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week. these are sandra's "homemade" yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one. [ man ] excuse me miss. [ gasps ] this fiber one 90 calorie brownie has all the deliciousness you desire. the brownie of your
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting tacky little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology...
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let's go to doma for a second. >> the importance of doma says the federal government cannot deny federal benefits to people just because they are involved in a same-sex marriage. every single issue we are concerned about, whether it's lbgt worker's women boment baum care, all of those issues will be played out in the context of the immigration bill. in my point there is no point of bringing people out of the shadows only to make them second class citizens. it's all of us liberty and justice for all that has to happen. >> michael: yeah "politico" has an article out saying that there are these republican -- big doers in the republican party, that are going to give a lot more money if republicans start taking a stand that says -- that legalizes gay marriage in america. how big of factor is this, and do you believe it? >> i absolutely think there are gay republicans, some of them are my friends, that say it's tough for me. they agree with the republican party on the economic front but not on social issues so i think that would tremendously help the republican party and when ted olson made an
let's go to doma for a second. >> the importance of doma says the federal government cannot deny federal benefits to people just because they are involved in a same-sex marriage. every single issue we are concerned about, whether it's lbgt worker's women boment baum care, all of those issues will be played out in the context of the immigration bill. in my point there is no point of bringing people out of the shadows only to make them second class citizens. it's all of us liberty and...
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tosome of them only apply doma. and understand what you mean by uniformity, but it is for the justification of the defense of marriage act. >> by uniformity -- ? >> as i a understand it, for simplicity sake, the federal government does not want to discern between different gay couples and they want to treat them equally as bad. as unmarried. >> there are lots of gay couples that which they were married and are not married and not get all the benefits of treatment by the federal government. in other words, in order to treat all same-sex couples as unmarried, we will treat them all the same. >> what congress said in the defense of marriage act is that -- the interest here is making sure that a married couple in texas is treated the some -- the same as a married couple in massachusetts. so that it is uniform throughout. >> there are two categories of married people, those that get in and those who do not. we are distinguishing would sheen -- distinguishing between married couples. and they want there to be uniform trea
tosome of them only apply doma. and understand what you mean by uniformity, but it is for the justification of the defense of marriage act. >> by uniformity -- ? >> as i a understand it, for simplicity sake, the federal government does not want to discern between different gay couples and they want to treat them equally as bad. as unmarried. >> there are lots of gay couples that which they were married and are not married and not get all the benefits of treatment by the...
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no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it, along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> reporter: public opinion polls show more than half of americans now support it. supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme court disagrees with these claims, history will not look fondly on it. the court almost prides itself in moving very slowly, not being out in front of the culture, lagging behind some. that's probably the dilemma for the justices. >> reporter: and there is a footnote. among those who do have a seat inside for tomorrow's argument is a cousin of chief justice john roberts. jean pedroski of san francisco. she writes in an online commentary that she's a lesbian. she hopes to soon get married if the supreme court permits it. brian? >> pete williams at the court where the excitement starts tomorrow. pete, thanks. >>> in
no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it, along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> reporter: public opinion polls show more than half of americans now support it. supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme court disagrees with...
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my two cents, i think the court will decide on doma. you cannot have a situation where federal law is unconstitutional in new england and it is constitutional in the rest of the country. what you do with the irs? one way or the other, the supreme court has got to decide whether or not doma is constitutional or not. host: if people are listening today, they will be hearing a past president cases that could be brought -- precedent cases that could be brought up. -- brought up? guest: this is not an area where there is a lot of precedent. the only to go opinions are the ones justice kennedy wrote in 1996 -- he wrote an opinion that struck down an anti-gay a voter initiative in colorado and said that this law reflects animosity to particular group of fellow citizens and you do that. he also wrote an opinion in 2003 that struck down the last of the sex acts -- laws that targeted days. he said that gays and lesbians are entitled to respect, not to be demeaned by the law, and that you cannot do that. a lot of people cite those precedents as sa
my two cents, i think the court will decide on doma. you cannot have a situation where federal law is unconstitutional in new england and it is constitutional in the rest of the country. what you do with the irs? one way or the other, the supreme court has got to decide whether or not doma is constitutional or not. host: if people are listening today, they will be hearing a past president cases that could be brought -- precedent cases that could be brought up. -- brought up? guest: this is not...
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i want to begin with you because you experienced the injury of doma which is to say what did doma mean in your life? what did it deny you would have had if doma was not will? >> i was in an interesting position because i was in the house with my husband during the debate in 1996. and even then, we saw that it was blatant discrimination against gay people. i remember that gerry went on the floor and spoke he made as much into and did everything every other member of congress did. but yet, the protections that their spouses would have would be denied me. little did i know that we would get married six years later and little did i know that he would die two years after that. it hurt then knowing that congress was putting a law on the books that hurt me personally. it was even harder after he died to know that what was in abstract point in the 1996 was now concrete reality that i was denied anything that a spouse of a federal employee for 25 years would have been given in due course. >> when would that have been? i mean -- presumably -- pension benefits. >> pension benefits. health insuran
i want to begin with you because you experienced the injury of doma which is to say what did doma mean in your life? what did it deny you would have had if doma was not will? >> i was in an interesting position because i was in the house with my husband during the debate in 1996. and even then, we saw that it was blatant discrimination against gay people. i remember that gerry went on the floor and spoke he made as much into and did everything every other member of congress did. but yet,...
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doma is complicated because it does provide protection for the states from the federal government part of it federalizes the issue. there is a chance the court could strike down the federalization part of it. if they do i think the way to fix it is maybe to try to make all of the laws more neutral towards the issue. i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in you but i don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue. i'm for a flat income tax and we wouldn't have marriage as part of the tax code. health insurance there is a way to write it where it would be neutral and you wouldn't bring marriage into the idea of health insurance chris i want to -- >> chris: i want to go back to the filibuster. after you filibustered for 13 hours you got this letter from the attorney general in which he wrote does the president have the authorization to kill an american with a drone to kill an american not engaged in combat on american soil just is answer to that is no. it seems to me what attorney general holder is saying by implication is that the president does h
doma is complicated because it does provide protection for the states from the federal government part of it federalizes the issue. there is a chance the court could strike down the federalization part of it. if they do i think the way to fix it is maybe to try to make all of the laws more neutral towards the issue. i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in you but i don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue. i'm for a flat income tax and we wouldn't...
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. >>> turning to the case on doma. how would a ruling on defense of marriage affect it differently than the one on prop 8. >> there are a number of states that already legalize same-sex marriage. under doma it's difficult for those rights to be recognized if a couple, let's say they get married in massachusetts but move to virginia. well in this case, it would basically say that's not okay to be the law of the land so other states would have to recognize marriages performed in other states, even if they aren't legal in that state. so it wouldn't make gay marriage the law of the land but it would change how couples are recognized. but the whole thing opens up just a much bigger discussion about what gay rights could be. >> christina bellantoni with pbs' "newshour," thanks. >>> in north carolina, road rage erupted into an all-out brawl. one driver was pummeled after attacking the driver he accused of trying to run him off the road. the beaten man's wife gave him a gun which he allegedly used to fire at his attacker's veh
. >>> turning to the case on doma. how would a ruling on defense of marriage affect it differently than the one on prop 8. >> there are a number of states that already legalize same-sex marriage. under doma it's difficult for those rights to be recognized if a couple, let's say they get married in massachusetts but move to virginia. well in this case, it would basically say that's not okay to be the law of the land so other states would have to recognize marriages performed in...
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here is what i think about doma, doma is definitely unconstitutional. but did not take my word for it. around 2005, the republicans in legislationssed oma, but they came up with a bill related to doma that stripped the courts of the right of judicial review. the courts not have judicial review, and therefore they were passing this bill to strip the courts of judicial review. why would they do that if they thought they had a constitutional bill? specifically related to doma? i feel pretty confident about what will happen there, but you never know. i think we only have time for one more question. two questions, quickly than. >> the debt limit, it seems like it will be the next big fight. the speaker said his principal will you stand eight no you open to a budget, no pay think where you do a balanced budget -- [indiscernible] >> your third part is a theoretical. yes, that is what the speaker says, and that is in keeping with the anti-government ideologues in his caucus. if you keep cutting investments in the future, that way, in order to do something that
here is what i think about doma, doma is definitely unconstitutional. but did not take my word for it. around 2005, the republicans in legislationssed oma, but they came up with a bill related to doma that stripped the courts of the right of judicial review. the courts not have judicial review, and therefore they were passing this bill to strip the courts of judicial review. why would they do that if they thought they had a constitutional bill? specifically related to doma? i feel pretty...
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she is challenging doma, the defense of marriage act. she said she was forced to pay taxes when her wife died. >> it was incredible expense. >> meanwhile, people who want to witness the cases firsthand began lining up outside the court on thursday. using tents, tarps, even umbrellas to shelter from today's snowfall. they're hoping to receive one of the roughly 60 seats available to the public. we learn one of those who will be inside the court is the lesbian couple of chief justice john roberts. jean podrasky will attend the hearings with her partner of four years. podrasky said this about her cousin. i believe he sees where the tide is going. i do trust him. i absolutely trust that he will go in a good direction. public opinion on same sex marriage has shifted dramatically. a recent poll shows 58% think it should be legal. that is up, 37% just a decade ago. justice correspondent pete williams is live in washington. a lot of details there but we know there are many options for the supreme court in a decision here in both these cases. >>
she is challenging doma, the defense of marriage act. she said she was forced to pay taxes when her wife died. >> it was incredible expense. >> meanwhile, people who want to witness the cases firsthand began lining up outside the court on thursday. using tents, tarps, even umbrellas to shelter from today's snowfall. they're hoping to receive one of the roughly 60 seats available to the public. we learn one of those who will be inside the court is the lesbian couple of chief justice...
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the second case involves the defense of marriage act known as doma. that law defines marriage as between a man and a woman. right now people are lining up outside of the supreme court trying to get front-row seats to history. will the supreme court say i do to same-sex marriage or decide to punt? key players made their arguments today on cnn's "state of the union." >> we immediate to keep the debate live. americans on both sides of the issue are deeply invested on this debate of marriage and don't need a 50-state solution presented by the supreme court when our democratic institutions are perfectly capable of handling the issue. that's what the court will december glide the united states supreme court since the 1880s has 14 times described marriage as a fundmental right. when we are talking about this issue going before the court, we are talking about fundamental notions of people, justice, and liberty. >> >> supreme court's ruling may not come until june but the justices question during argument this week may reveal how they are leaning. bring in now
the second case involves the defense of marriage act known as doma. that law defines marriage as between a man and a woman. right now people are lining up outside of the supreme court trying to get front-row seats to history. will the supreme court say i do to same-sex marriage or decide to punt? key players made their arguments today on cnn's "state of the union." >> we immediate to keep the debate live. americans on both sides of the issue are deeply invested on this debate of...
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man, i fullyting expect doma will be struck down. the issue has been devolved so rapidly and has gained such support across a broad range of constituencies that i predict doma will fall. that will be ok. we will be able to move along from there. slide, please. the issue i have seen some effort done, and this has been an interesting one to see ball over many years. i came to the army in 1976. servedl soldiers that and they had turbins. if you know anything about the quality of seek an gurkha soldiers, i said, we can live with this. sometime along the way, we thought, we no longer allow people to have different apparel and different uniform standards. the idea that you could serve as a siek and honor your faith wearing a turban, that was denied. at some point, there was a supreme court case involving a rabbi. the idea was, if you could wear a yarmulkes and hide it under normal military head gear, that would be ok. under that decision, we then had jewish rabbis and others serving openly. that was fine. that was the only accommodation ma
man, i fullyting expect doma will be struck down. the issue has been devolved so rapidly and has gained such support across a broad range of constituencies that i predict doma will fall. that will be ok. we will be able to move along from there. slide, please. the issue i have seen some effort done, and this has been an interesting one to see ball over many years. i came to the army in 1976. servedl soldiers that and they had turbins. if you know anything about the quality of seek an gurkha...
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doma bans the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. federal regulators want big pharmaceutical companies to stop paying drug companies from delaying the release of cheaper versions of brand name drugs. the deals unfairly force consumers to pay more money on their drug bills. >> 6:42. hope you got a chance to enjoy this weekend. it was beautiful. >> we have a gorgeous day shaping up. good morning to you, laura and marla. good morning to you. this is san francisco, beautiful start to the day here. you don't have a lot of fog to point out in this general picture. you will find some up in the north bay. big pockets developing up there. lelts show you s let's show you san jose. that officially comes in at 7:06. 40, 46 degrees in san jose. 46 for livermore. 41 in gilroy. 48 in sfraeps an francisco to t along the day. as we head throughout the day today, we will easily hit the 60s, low 60s by noon. upper 50s on the way to the coast. limited sunshine for the second half of the day and highs that are comfortable. it is not going to be that nice
doma bans the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. federal regulators want big pharmaceutical companies to stop paying drug companies from delaying the release of cheaper versions of brand name drugs. the deals unfairly force consumers to pay more money on their drug bills. >> 6:42. hope you got a chance to enjoy this weekend. it was beautiful. >> we have a gorgeous day shaping up. good morning to you, laura and marla. good morning to you. this is san francisco,...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller powerful sheet. the only one with trap + lock technology. look! one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. use less. with the small but powerful picker upper, bounty select-a-size. >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may,
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will...
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the other on the defense of marriage act, doma. will the supreme court follow public opinion? or will it stand and yell, stop? >>> in the 1970s the republican party began two decades in the wilderness when it swung too far to the left from where the country was at the time. now it's the republican party's turn. new polling suggests the gop is at its worst. the hard right is trying to keep itself in office and the party out of the white house, it seems. >>> remember last year how republicans were insisting all the calls were dead wrong right up until mitt romney actually lost? with those numbers? and even after that? well, they're at it again. now it's the polls on gay marriage that are wrong they say. all those polls are wrong. don't believe a word of them, they say. >>> finally, let me finish with people who were the cheerleaders, when their job was to be referee. the press. in the buildup to the iraq war. >>> as i mentioned karl rove is apparently trying to carry favor with the hard right again after his call for more establishment party candidates. yesterday he sounded the
the other on the defense of marriage act, doma. will the supreme court follow public opinion? or will it stand and yell, stop? >>> in the 1970s the republican party began two decades in the wilderness when it swung too far to the left from where the country was at the time. now it's the republican party's turn. new polling suggests the gop is at its worst. the hard right is trying to keep itself in office and the party out of the white house, it seems. >>> remember last year...
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i think it's more obvious that doma should be struck down or the court will strike doma down. we're hopeful the court will extend rights in california, at least not set them back. it would be hard for the court to be too far out on public opinion in this instance, given the rate and the type of change that's happening around this fairness issue for same-sex couples. i'm confident that ultimately both cases will put us further down the road to marriage equality. just how far, i think we'll have to wait and see until the end of june. >> massachusetts attorney general martha coakley, thank you for coming on the program. we have two things we've been talking. one is the legal aspects. of course, the other is at the heart of prop 8, our two couples. before they went into the courtroom, they went before the cameras. let me play for you a few clips of what they had to say. >> jeff and i long to be married and start a family of our own and have the equal rights that are guaranteed to all americans that are in loving and committed relationships. >> sandy and i look forward to a day whe
i think it's more obvious that doma should be struck down or the court will strike doma down. we're hopeful the court will extend rights in california, at least not set them back. it would be hard for the court to be too far out on public opinion in this instance, given the rate and the type of change that's happening around this fairness issue for same-sex couples. i'm confident that ultimately both cases will put us further down the road to marriage equality. just how far, i think we'll have...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. >> trees are closer to us -- whoooo! you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no! stop...stop... (mom) i raised my son to be careful... hi, sweetie. hi, mom. (mom) but just to be safe... i got a subaru. (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. ( bull roar ) ...if you don't attend the running of the bulls. ole! >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may, citing his 2016 potential. meanwhile, politico reports to
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. >> trees are closer to us -- whoooo! you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no!...
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. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean we send our elected representatives to washington, d.c. an they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it is clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefits and the issue with doma really gets complicated if they have children who are also excluded from benefits. >> when we have kids i would like them to be born in a post-doma united states. >> reporter: still, california as one of only a handful of states that gives most of the benefits of marriage to same-sex couples and domestic partnerships. one question is whether any ruling by the court on california could affect all of those other states in the same way. pred? >> thanks so much, joe. >>> so is there a feeling that the landscape on gay marriage is about to c
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a week from today, the supreme court hears an argument in the doma case. it's going to be an extraordinarily significant event. what i'm seeing right now is shaping out in the washington media, and so this week i've seen an article on family choices of the supreme court justices where they describe the demographics of nine justices, some never married, some marrieded late, some adopted children, some have no children. it's interesting because the fundamental defense that remains under doma is the idea that a marriage between a man and a woman is the only vehicle in which you can have procreation, the appropriate role to raise a choild. that really is the strongest argument for those who would still seek to retain doma and the idea of marriage between a man and a woman of the only legitimate vehicle. in the post, this week, there's a series of articles designed methodically to strike down the idea that procreation is the only thing worth saving, and so we have the family choices of nine supreme court justices. we've had a poll of the views of various citize
a week from today, the supreme court hears an argument in the doma case. it's going to be an extraordinarily significant event. what i'm seeing right now is shaping out in the washington media, and so this week i've seen an article on family choices of the supreme court justices where they describe the demographics of nine justices, some never married, some marrieded late, some adopted children, some have no children. it's interesting because the fundamental defense that remains under doma is...